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| acamper |
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 | I'm asking this question for future reference so ANY assistance would be appreciated. Are LGD's capable of obedience training? I ask this because I'm interested in the future of perhaps purchasing one, in particular a Kangal. I've heard they have a mind of their own and their ONLY focus is on the job, GUARDING SOMETHING. Can they be a home, personal protector and can you control them? Once again thanks for ANY assistance. | ||||
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| Igmuska |
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| Guest | Yes, but not as easily as other breeds. | ||||
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| acamper |
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| | Thanks igmuska, that's what I was hoping to hear. I know this is TOUGH, but how much tougher and WHAT way of training, kinda tough, alpha type approach or treat treat positive reinforcement. I would think you need to be tough. | ||||
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| gsicard |
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MD Administrator | Even when you think you have them trained perfectly - they will still surprise you. You must be always vigilant even if you have spent years training your LGD type dog in obedience. The level of difficulty you may have is dependendent on the breed and the line within the breed. Natural working dogs will be more difficult to train and will naturally be less tractable. However, any dog can be trained to do what you want - just takes much more time and reinforecment with some. If you have the time and patience to invest you could train a good Kangal to do what you stated. Just be aware of the difference between the hardware (dogs instinct and heritage) and the software (what you trained them to do). In a stressfull situation they may revert to hardware and thus endeth the peace and tranquility. Give it a go ... good luck. | ||||
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| Igmuska |
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| Guest | Ever trained a Chow or Akita? Somewhere in between. They do care about their family more than these breeds, but as far as obed. and listening when something happens, good luck. They are quite a bit of work to raise in an urban setting; socializing btoh human and dog, training with distraction, environmental, etc... If you blow off the formative year training and imprinting, you will have a beast on your hands. | ||||
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| realname |
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| acamper |
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| | Thanks everybody, Realname in the video I saw treats being used. Can someone tell me if THAT'S the way to go or more forceful alpha lead? Thanks again | ||||
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| Igmuska |
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| Guest | Force with these kinds of dogs can lead to a dog that will push back. Unless you are willing to handle an angry 140+ pound dog coming up the leash at you for what was considered a hard, unfair correction, then understanding and leadership are the way to go. Some LGDs are not that food or play motivated, like some Chows I have encountered. These dogs can redirect in a similar manner to a Rotty, if you have ever handled a hot one. | ||||
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| kjn |
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 | My almost two year old CO is really good at learning obedience commands but will only perform them reliably under certain circumstances. If he believes there is a problem then he trusts his own judgment exclusively and will not budge or do what anyone says. He can reliably do commands like "sit", "stay", "kennel", "down", or other such things under neutral conditions. He is also excellent at coordinating his movements with ours like if I say let's go outside, let's go inside, or let's go upstairs, let's go in the car, anything like that then he just trots meekly along. But if I said let's go upstairs and he had to pass a person, even a friend of mine who was standing in the front hall, then there is no way he'd budge even though he knows exactly what the words mean. It would likely require that I ask the person to move out of the dog's line of vision first. Sometimes I think Kodi is the one training us! This is my only experience of an LGD dog but my strong impression is they are both smart and really independent minded, will tend to trust their own judgment over somebody else's opinion in any situation they consider to be serious or important. | ||||
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| gsicard |
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| MD Administrator | Nice post KJN - I think you nailed it with that explanation for the situations described. Have you ever see an LGD that is in active defense? It is quite a transition and a sight most dog owners would freak about. [ Edited Fri Jul 22 2011, 11:38AM ] | ||||
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